Legislature(1999 - 2000)

02/16/2000 01:40 PM House FIN

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HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                                         
February 16, 2000                                                                                                               
1:40 P.M.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
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CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault called the House Finance Committee                                                                          
meeting to order at 1:40 P.M.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder                                                                                                                 
Co-Chair Therriault    Representative Foster                                                                                    
Vice Chair Bunde   Representative Grussendorf                                                                                   
Representative Austerman   Representative Williams                                                                              
Representative J. Davies   Representative Phillips                                                                              
Representative G. Davis                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative Moses was not present for the meeting.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Jeannette James; Ginny Fay, Director,                                                                            
Division of Tourism, Department of Community & Economic                                                                         
Development; James Baldwin, Assistant Attorney General,                                                                         
Department of Law; Ann Campbell, Chair, Alaska Travel                                                                           
Industry Association, Anchorage; Bob Dindinger, Vice                                                                            
President, Marketing Chair, Alaska Travel Adventures,                                                                           
Juneau; Robert Wells, Board Member, Board of Agriculture and                                                                    
Conservation, Matsu, (Testified via Teleconference).                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
HB 116 An Act relating to the Board of Agriculture and                                                                          
Conservation, to the agricultural revolving loan                                                                                
fund, to the disposal of state agricultural land,                                                                               
and to the Alaska Natural Resource Conservation                                                                                 
and Development Board; and providing for an                                                                                     
effective date.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
HB 116 was HEARD and HELD in Committee for further                                                                              
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Overview: Millennium Plan Update by:                                                                                            
  Alaska Tourism Marketing Council                                                                                              
  Alaska Travel Industry Association                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
  No Committee Action. This portion of the meeting                                                                              
was taken in computer log note format.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Millennium Plan Update by:                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
 Alaska Tourism Marketing Council                                                                                               
Alaska Travel Industry Association                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
The following overview was taken in log note format.  Tapes                                                                     
and handouts will be on file with the House Finance                                                                             
Committee through the 21st Legislative Session, contact 465-                                                                    
2156. After the 21st Legislative Session they will be                                                                           
available through the Legislative Library at 465-3808.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
LOG                                                                                                                             
SPEAKER                                                                                                                         
DISCUSSION                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
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Co-Chair Therriault                                                                                                             
Co-Chair Therriault convened the meeting                                                                                        
at 1:40 p.m.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MILLENNIUM PLAN UPDATE BY:                                                                                                      
ALASKA TOURISM MARKETING COUNCIL                                                                                                
ALASKA TRAVEL INDUSTRY ASSN.                                                                                                    
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ANN CAMPBELL, CHAIR,                                                                                                            
ALASKA TRAVEL                                                                                                                   
INDUSTRY ASSN.,                                                                                                                 
ANCHORAGE                                                                                                                       
Spoke to her background and the goals of                                                                                        
the Alaska Travel Industry Assn.  (ATIA).                                                                                       
Ms. Campbell distributed the handout.                                                                                           
[Copy on File].  She noted that ATIA is                                                                                         
in the initial stages of developing                                                                                             
Alaska's statewide tourism programs that                                                                                        
will replace the Alaska tourism Marketing                                                                                       
Council, the Alaska Visitors Association                                                                                        
(AVA) as well as assume the marketing                                                                                           
functions of the State through a contract                                                                                       
with the Division of Tourism.                                                                                                   
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MS. CAMPBELL                                                                                                                    
Explained that the new millennium plan                                                                                          
resulted from the passage of SB 107.  She                                                                                       
noted that ATIA has spent a good deal of                                                                                        
time gathering charter members.  She                                                                                            
stated that current charter membership                                                                                          
consists of 1056 members, which consists                                                                                        
primarily of small business throughout                                                                                          
Alaska.  Ms. Campbell pointed out that                                                                                          
only 19% of the membership has more than                                                                                        
15 employees.                                                                                                                   
470                                                                                                                             
MS. CAMPBELL                                                                                                                    
The organization has seated its board of                                                                                        
directors, consisting of 23 industry                                                                                            
businesses ranging from sole proprietors                                                                                        
to large companies.  She noted that she                                                                                         
was elected as the Chair of the Board and                                                                                       
that Tina Lindgren was hired as                                                                                                 
President/CEO.  Public forums were held                                                                                         
in several cities to gather input for the                                                                                       
organizational development and dues                                                                                             
structure has been established.                                                                                                 
Seventeen directors have been elected.                                                                                          
Those directors represent a wide group of                                                                                       
people throughout the State and that only                                                                                       
four of the directors represent large                                                                                           
companies.                                                                                                                      
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MS. CAMPBELL                                                                                                                    
Pointed out that the work of the                                                                                                
directors was to perform the                                                                                                    
organizational work which would make ATIA                                                                                       
a legal entity so to do the business.                                                                                           
The initial work was to initiate a search                                                                                       
for the president and chief operating                                                                                           
officer which resulted in the hiring of                                                                                         
Ms. Lindgren.  Then six members were                                                                                            
appointed to the Board which consists of                                                                                        
two cruise operators, one highway tourism                                                                                       
business, one raft operator, a                                                                                                  
representative from the Native                                                                                                  
Corporation who runs hotels in Anchorage.                                                                                       
She pointed out that they tried to get a                                                                                        
wide diversity of people on the Board.                                                                                          
608                                                                                                                             
MS. CAMPBELL                                                                                                                    
During that time, the group was holding                                                                                         
forums throughout the State to determine                                                                                        
what the process should be for the ATIA                                                                                         
Board.  At present time, the group is                                                                                           
determining what the goals and priorities                                                                                       
of a statewide association should be in                                                                                         
regards to organization, structure and                                                                                          
membership goals.                                                                                                               
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MS. CAMPBELL                                                                                                                    
The association has made some decisions                                                                                         
regarding the dues structure.  A small                                                                                          
category has been added as an                                                                                                   
informational category for any business                                                                                         
with three employees or under.  If you do                                                                                       
not want to pay the membership fee but                                                                                          
still want to be involved, for $100                                                                                             
dollars a year, you can do that.  A lower                                                                                       
cost category has been added for those                                                                                          
businesses that sell to the visitor                                                                                             
business industries.  She stressed that                                                                                         
these were added to try to insure that                                                                                          
the association is accessible to the                                                                                            
smallest of businesses.                                                                                                         
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MS. CAMPBELL                                                                                                                    
Advised that at this time, the                                                                                                  
organization is dealing with the transfer                                                                                       
of assets from the Alaska Visitors                                                                                              
Association. She pointed out that there                                                                                         
are a lot of legal and accounting issues                                                                                        
related to that transfer.  Additionally,                                                                                        
she noted that there are a few issues                                                                                           
that relate to the Alaska Tourism                                                                                               
Marketing Council (ATMC) sunset in June.                                                                                        
It is important that those tools continue                                                                                       
into the millenium marketing program.                                                                                           
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MS. CAMPBELL                                                                                                                    
Noted that ATIA is trying to finalize the                                                                                       
contract negotiations by August.  It is                                                                                         
important to have a contract in order so                                                                                        
that ATIA will be able to make sure the                                                                                         
marketing commitments are in place.  Ms.                                                                                        
Campbell stressed that a marketing plan                                                                                         
needs to be implemented now.                                                                                                    
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MS. CAMPBELL                                                                                                                    
Emphasized that it is important that the                                                                                        
industry match be raised.  She noted that                                                                                       
ATIA is well on its way to accomplishing                                                                                        
that.  Ms. Campbell commented that                                                                                              
organization is in the process of having                                                                                        
conversations to assess their budgets for                                                                                       
that process.  They are coming to some                                                                                          
conclusion as to what would be a fair                                                                                           
process.  She emphasized that it is                                                                                             
important to get the marketing plan put                                                                                         
together.                                                                                                                       
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MS. CAMPBELL                                                                                                                    
She noted that the sale of the Vacation                                                                                         
Planner ads will generate a good portion                                                                                        
of the match.  Ms. Campbell indicated                                                                                           
that ATIA is on track to raising the                                                                                            
match and that it would not be a barrier                                                                                        
to ATIA moving forward.  There is more                                                                                          
concern regarding structural issues and                                                                                         
the ability to get the marketing plan                                                                                           
out.                                                                                                                            
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BOB DINDINGER, VICE                                                                                                             
PRESIDENT, MARKETING                                                                                                            
CHAIR, ALASKA                                                                                                                   
TOURISM INDUSTRY                                                                                                                
ASSOCIATION, JUNEAU                                                                                                             
Spoke to the reasons that ATIA was                                                                                              
created. He noted that the industry was                                                                                         
to take greater responsibility for                                                                                              
marketing tourism in Alaska.  That plan                                                                                         
was to be broadly representative of the                                                                                         
diverse interests of Alaska traveler.                                                                                           
ATIA has embraced those goals.  He noted                                                                                        
that ATIA has been fortunate with the                                                                                           
assistance of the Legislature and the LBA                                                                                       
Committee to receive funds that were not                                                                                        
program receipts.                                                                                                               
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MR. DINDINGER                                                                                                                   
That money allowed purchasing almost $1                                                                                         
million dollars of tourism marketing that                                                                                       
would not otherwise have been possible.                                                                                         
Those funds allowed ATIA to be on                                                                                               
television this winter. He voiced his                                                                                           
appreciation of that decision.                                                                                                  
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MR. DINDINGER                                                                                                                   
Pointed out the request for the                                                                                                 
millennium plan called for in SB107 which                                                                                       
was for $5 million dollars to be                                                                                                
allocated for marketing activity for the                                                                                        
FY01 marketing program.  The industry                                                                                           
would make a matching contribution of                                                                                           
$2.1 million dollars.  The fiscal note                                                                                          
referenced legislative intent that money                                                                                        
would be allocated through a separate                                                                                           
BRU.  He noted that in the Governor's                                                                                           
budget proposal, it is difficult to find                                                                                        
that money.  He emphasized that has been                                                                                        
a challenge for ATIA when trying to                                                                                             
develop the plan.  He encouraged the                                                                                            
Committee to look to identify the BRU                                                                                           
where those funds could be raised.                                                                                              
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MR. DINDINGER                                                                                                                   
The intent of ATIA over the next two                                                                                            
years is to scale back the State                                                                                                
contribution to $4 million dollars.  He                                                                                         
noted that was an aggressive goal, which                                                                                        
could be accomplished.                                                                                                          
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MR. DINDINGER                                                                                                                   
Noted that ATIA is prepared to take on                                                                                          
all the existing marketing activities of                                                                                        
the Division of Tourism, Alaska Visitors                                                                                        
Assn., and those that have been done by                                                                                         
ATMC in the past.  That action will have                                                                                        
internal savings.  He noted that there is                                                                                       
a passive understanding with the ATMC to                                                                                        
assist. He suggested that by doing that                                                                                         
it will provide continuity from year to                                                                                         
year and also reduces the risk of                                                                                               
dropping any valuable program elements                                                                                          
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MR. DINDINGER                                                                                                                   
Noted that there is concern if there                                                                                            
exists a clear understanding as to the                                                                                          
extend the Division of Tourism ceases to                                                                                        
exist.  He asked about the State                                                                                                
mandating the components of a tourism-                                                                                          
marketing plan.  He asked if it was the                                                                                         
responsibility of the industry to fully                                                                                         
design a plan and fund it or if the State                                                                                       
instead designs the plan, and then the                                                                                          
industry must be active at that design.                                                                                         
The industry believes they know what the                                                                                        
Legislature's intent was.  He requested                                                                                         
that clarification be made in this                                                                                              
process.                                                                                                                        
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MR. DINDINGER                                                                                                                   
Summarized the current issues:                                                                                                  
? The need to clearly define what                                                                                               
funding will be allocated to ATIA                                                                                               
during the budget process; and                                                                                                  
? To what degree the industry will be                                                                                           
involved in the design and to list the                                                                                          
components to design for.                                                                                                       
The current ATIA proposal will be adopted                                                                                       
this week and will comprise a substantial                                                                                       
portion of the ATIA board and past                                                                                              
participants of the ATMC to provide                                                                                             
continuity.  The intent is to bring in                                                                                          
marketing organizations throughout the                                                                                          
state.  He emphasized that ATIA needs the                                                                                       
funding and political support throughout                                                                                        
Alaska. Mr. Dindinger voiced little                                                                                             
concern with ATIA's ability to formulate                                                                                        
a marketing plan by July 1, 2000.                                                                                               
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CO-CHAIR THERRIAULT                                                                                                             
Asked the size of the pool from which the                                                                                       
17 marketing directors were chosen.                                                                                             
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MS. CAMPBELL                                                                                                                    
Replied that 40-50 people had run for the                                                                                       
board from throughout the State.                                                                                                
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CO-CHAIR THERRIAULT                                                                                                             
Asked if there was anything that ATIA was                                                                                       
not willing to provide in the contractual                                                                                       
arrangement.                                                                                                                    
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MR. DINDINGER                                                                                                                   
Agreed.                                                                                                                         
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CO-CHAIR THERRIAULT                                                                                                             
Asked how ATIA expected the money for the                                                                                       
match and timing expectation of it coming                                                                                       
to the required places on schedule.                                                                                             
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MR. DINDINGER                                                                                                                   
Replied that traditionally, the contracts                                                                                       
have been received through the                                                                                                  
solicitation of advertising in the                                                                                              
Vacation Planner.  Those contracts will                                                                                         
go out within the next two months and are                                                                                       
expected back by the July 1st.  He stated                                                                                       
that would raise a large portion of those                                                                                       
funds.  A smaller amount of funds are                                                                                           
raised throughout the year by selling the                                                                                       
names that are generated from the (800)                                                                                         
number.  He noted that a fair amount of                                                                                         
the money is front-loaded into the                                                                                              
program.  ATIA is intent on designing a                                                                                         
"pay to play" program which would pull                                                                                          
together those operators who have an                                                                                            
interest in those programs to make the                                                                                          
organization more self supporting.                                                                                              
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CO-CHAIR MULDER                                                                                                                 
Noted that last year the Legislative                                                                                            
intent was to create a tourism-marketing                                                                                        
plan.  He questioned how cooperative the                                                                                        
Department has been in that effort.                                                                                             
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MR. DINDINGER                                                                                                                   
Replied that there is a lot of                                                                                                  
"tenseness" between the Department and                                                                                          
the industry.  He acknowledged that there                                                                                       
is a change going on.  He voiced concern                                                                                        
that the Department has not been                                                                                                
forthcoming in giving direction for a                                                                                           
tourism-marketing program.  They have                                                                                           
been tenacious and holding on to the                                                                                            
reins of control which has been counter                                                                                         
productive.  The Department has not been                                                                                        
helpful in this process and has slowed                                                                                          
the process down.                                                                                                               
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REPRESENTATIVE                                                                                                                  
AUSTERMAN                                                                                                                       
Noted that he was a supporter of the                                                                                            
industry, however, voiced concern with                                                                                          
the lack of tourist taxes.  He asked why                                                                                        
the industry has not come forward with a                                                                                        
proposal of statewide tax.  He stressed                                                                                         
that it is important to support their own                                                                                       
way. It is difficult to understand why                                                                                          
the fishing industry continues to put                                                                                           
money into the tourism industry.  There                                                                                         
should be tourist taxing used for                                                                                               
highway, harbors and roads.                                                                                                     
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MR. DINDINGER                                                                                                                   
Acknowledged the concerns voiced by                                                                                             
Representative Austerman.  He noted that                                                                                        
the challenge is that the dynamics of the                                                                                       
two different industries are very                                                                                               
different.  He stated that there is an                                                                                          
easy porthole for all fishermen to                                                                                              
participate.  The challenge on the                                                                                              
tourism side is that there is not a                                                                                             
single place to place a mechanism that                                                                                          
would evenly effect all tourists and                                                                                            
operators.  The industry has recommended                                                                                        
a sales tax but there are many challenges                                                                                       
to offer that.  He suggested that would                                                                                         
be the fairest tax to guarantee that all                                                                                        
paid equally.                                                                                                                   
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MR. DINDINGER                                                                                                                   
Continued, not all businesses that                                                                                              
benefit from tourists are tourism                                                                                               
businesses.  He reiterated that there is                                                                                        
not an easy collection opportunity. He                                                                                          
noted that he was optimistic that the                                                                                           
program would work.  The expectation is                                                                                         
that the new business signed on will                                                                                            
cooperate in these concerns.                                                                                                    
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REPRESENTATIVE                                                                                                                  
AUSTERMAN                                                                                                                       
Agreed that there is not a way to                                                                                               
equalize the tax base, which does not                                                                                           
mean that it is a good argument.  The                                                                                           
industry has an obligation to the State                                                                                         
of Alaska to help maintain the                                                                                                  
"industry".  When everyone else in the                                                                                          
State is paying their fair share, the                                                                                           
industry should also be contributing.                                                                                           
1975                                                                                                                            
REPRESENTATIVE                                                                                                                  
FOSTER                                                                                                                          
Echoed his concerns.  He emphasized that                                                                                        
the industry is not paying its share and                                                                                        
that is not fair to any Alaskan.                                                                                                
1990                                                                                                                            
CO-CHAIR THERRIAULT                                                                                                             
Asked if there have been any other                                                                                              
"problems" identified by ATIA other than                                                                                        
the contractual date.                                                                                                           
2006                                                                                                                            
MR. DINGDINER                                                                                                                   
Requested that the budget structure issue                                                                                       
be stipulated.  Additionally,                                                                                                   
clarification regarding the design,                                                                                             
control and management outlined in SB
107.  It is appropriate that the State                                                                                          
have an overview of how the activities                                                                                          
and funds are being spent.                                                                                                      
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CO-CHAIR THERRIAULT                                                                                                             
Explained that there has been tension                                                                                           
between various segments of the industry.                                                                                       
He asked how that has played out at this                                                                                        
point.                                                                                                                          
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MS. CAMPBELL                                                                                                                    
Acknowledged that there are still people                                                                                        
that are skeptical of ATIA.  However,                                                                                           
there are many people who are of "good                                                                                          
faith" that the process and the program                                                                                         
will work.                                                                                                                      
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REPRESENTATIVE J.                                                                                                               
DAVIES                                                                                                                          
Requested a list of the current board                                                                                           
members and where they came from.  He                                                                                           
noted that he shared concerns voiced by                                                                                         
Representative Austerman.  He commented                                                                                         
on the State's role in the plan's                                                                                               
development.  He commented that the State                                                                                       
should have a seat in the development of                                                                                        
this plan.  The State is investing a fair                                                                                       
amount of money and should have a role in                                                                                       
the developing of the plan.  He asked if                                                                                        
there could be a + place for both.                                                                                              
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MR. DINDINGER                                                                                                                   
Replied that there is a place for the                                                                                           
State.  The State should identify goals                                                                                         
and objectives.  The industry should then                                                                                       
be responsible for reaching those goals                                                                                         
and objectives based on the best                                                                                                
resources that ATIA can accumulate.  The                                                                                        
State should establish the intent.                                                                                              
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MR. DINDINGER                                                                                                                   
Added that the State should determine                                                                                           
what they expect ATIA should accomplish                                                                                         
and then measure ATIA after to see if it                                                                                        
has been accomplished.                                                                                                          
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REPRESENTATIVE J.                                                                                                               
DAVIES                                                                                                                          
Suggested that step go one move further.                                                                                        
He asked if there wasn't a comparable                                                                                           
role for the State in not developing the                                                                                        
entire plan, but to play a role in that                                                                                         
development and implementation through a                                                                                        
representative or set of representatives.                                                                                       
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MS. CAMPBELL                                                                                                                    
Replied that this undertaking has always                                                                                        
been a cooperative effort.  She                                                                                                 
questioned if this was to be a                                                                                                  
partnership or is it a case of the State                                                                                        
laying down the perimeters with ATIA                                                                                            
implementing them.                                                                                                              
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REPRESENTATIVE J.                                                                                                               
DAVIES                                                                                                                          
Suggested that it would be healthy to                                                                                           
have that discussion.                                                                                                           
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REPRESENTATIVE                                                                                                                  
AUSTERMAN                                                                                                                       
Asked if the number of employees assigned                                                                                       
to handling all the inquiries had been                                                                                          
determined.                                                                                                                     
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MR. DINDINGER                                                                                                                   
Replied that responding to those                                                                                                
inquiries would be part of the markeing                                                                                         
process, which would be a continuation of                                                                                       
the ATIA marketing structure.                                                                                                   
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CO-CHAIR THERRIAULT                                                                                                             
Pointed out that he is a member of the                                                                                          
budget Subcommittee for the new                                                                                                 
Department.  He noted that the tourism                                                                                          
aspect would be considered during those                                                                                         
meetings.  The Legislature will then be                                                                                         
better able to track what the State                                                                                             
expects.                                                                                                                        
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GINNY FAY, DIRECTOR,                                                                                                            
ALSAKA DIVISION OF                                                                                                              
TOURISM, DEPARTMENT                                                                                                             
OF COMMUNITY &                                                                                                                  
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT                                                                                                            
Distributed handouts to Committee                                                                                               
members.  [Copy on File].  She noted that                                                                                       
she would speak to the Division's degree                                                                                        
of cooperation, budget and the intent of                                                                                        
the legislation and how to move forward                                                                                         
with the marketing plan.  She pointed out                                                                                       
that ATIA has recently determined most of                                                                                       
their board.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
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MS. FAY                                                                                                                         
Noted that ATIA is having a lot of                                                                                              
internal confusion regarding what their                                                                                         
marketing plan should look like.  She                                                                                           
noted that her role has been to listen                                                                                          
and see where they are going. In January,                                                                                       
they went through a strategic planning                                                                                          
process to try to decide what they are                                                                                          
interested in doing.  Ms. Fay noted that                                                                                        
the Division of Tourism and ATIA has been                                                                                       
having weekly teleconferences since the                                                                                         
beginning of January.                                                                                                           
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MS. FAY                                                                                                                         
Referenced the handout regarding the                                                                                            
State's goals.                                                                                                                  
? Serve as an effective economic                                                                                                
development tool for communities                                                                                                
throughout Alaska;                                                                                                              
? Be community driven to allow each                                                                                             
community to decide whether tourism is                                                                                          
appropriate for their community;                                                                                                
? Preserve the cultural values and                                                                                              
quality of life for all Alaska                                                                                                  
residents;                                                                                                                      
? Be environmentally and economically                                                                                           
sustainable in the long term;                                                                                                   
? Provide a significant portion of                                                                                              
benefits to the local area where                                                                                                
visitation occurs.                                                                                                              
? Increase resident satisfaction with                                                                                           
the visitor industry; reduce impacts                                                                                            
to residents and communities and                                                                                                
maintain the quality of life for                                                                                                
residents;                                                                                                                      
? Maintain or improve overall visitor                                                                                           
satisfaction.                                                                                                                   
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MS. FAY                                                                                                                         
The Division has laid out what they are                                                                                         
doing, the main activities and the issues                                                                                       
raised when moving from the State funded                                                                                        
to the membership driven option issues.                                                                                         
She stressed that there are major public                                                                                        
policy issues when moving from State                                                                                            
funded programs.  Ms. Fay noted that the                                                                                        
issue of the inquiry section is a good                                                                                          
example of this concern.                                                                                                        
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MS. FAY                                                                                                                         
Spoke to the development of the goals.                                                                                          
As a State agency, the issues are                                                                                               
different as the Division represents the                                                                                        
entire state and not just the specific                                                                                          
issues of the ATIA group.  She emphasized                                                                                       
that the State agency has a much broader                                                                                        
constituency.  She surmised that is why                                                                                         
there is an issue at this time.  The                                                                                            
Division focuses on tourism mainly as an                                                                                        
economic development tool, and that is                                                                                          
why the State of Alaska has invested                                                                                            
money into it.  The Division's                                                                                                  
constituency includes all the residents                                                                                         
of the State.  The Division fully                                                                                               
supports ATIA moving forward; however,                                                                                          
the Division also must consider why the                                                                                         
small community residents might not                                                                                             
become members.                                                                                                                 
354                                                                                                                             
MS. FAY                                                                                                                         
Continued, the Division is moving forward                                                                                       
with the same programs into next year,                                                                                          
and outlines the significant issues that                                                                                        
need to be addressed.  Ms. Fay emphasized                                                                                       
that the State is not micromanaging ATIA                                                                                        
and that the expectations have been                                                                                             
broad.                                                                                                                          
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MS. FAY                                                                                                                         
Argued that the budget has been a "sticky                                                                                       
point".  The Division submitted a fiscal                                                                                        
note, which was not adopted.  Ms. Fay                                                                                           
pointed out that the State assembled a                                                                                          
packet that identified where the                                                                                                
different marketing components were. The                                                                                        
issue is that the Division's total does                                                                                         
not add up to the $5 million dollar                                                                                             
fiscal note.  There would need to be an                                                                                         
increment to reach that amount.                                                                                                 
465                                                                                                                             
MS. FAY                                                                                                                         
Advised that last year's fiscal note                                                                                            
included $5.7 million dollars for the                                                                                           
FY01 budget.  The Division does not spend                                                                                       
that amount of money for tourism                                                                                                
marketing.  She added that there was                                                                                            
never an agreement to reallocate the                                                                                            
money being spent on tourism because                                                                                            
there are many activities involved such                                                                                         
as community planning and development and                                                                                       
business assistance.                                                                                                            
542                                                                                                                             
MS. FAY                                                                                                                         
Addressed the terms of the intent of the                                                                                        
legislation.  She stated that the                                                                                               
Division understands the legislation to                                                                                         
outline that the Division defines the                                                                                           
components and what needs to go into the                                                                                        
marketing plan and then it will be                                                                                              
implemented by ATIA.  The Division should                                                                                       
have input as to what the goals should                                                                                          
be.  She concluded that there are not a                                                                                         
many issues regarding what the components                                                                                       
should be for this year.                                                                                                        
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CO-CHAIR MULDER                                                                                                                 
Asked the amount of money spent on                                                                                              
tourism.                                                                                                                        
628                                                                                                                             
MS. FAY                                                                                                                         
Replied that $5 million dollars is not                                                                                          
spent on tourism marketing.  At this                                                                                            
time, only $4.1 million dollars is spent                                                                                        
on marketing.                                                                                                                   
650                                                                                                                             
CO-CHAIR MULDER                                                                                                                 
Referenced the fiscal note and noted that                                                                                       
$5.3 million general fund dollars were                                                                                          
spent on tourism marketing last year.                                                                                           
678                                                                                                                             
CO-CHAIR MULDER                                                                                                                 
Recognized that the Division did disagree                                                                                       
with last year's fiscal note.  He asked                                                                                         
why that had not been incorporated into                                                                                         
the budget.                                                                                                                     
699                                                                                                                             
MS. FAY                                                                                                                         
Explained that would have required an                                                                                           
increment.  The Division presented a                                                                                            
status quo budget.                                                                                                              
720                                                                                                                             
CO-CHAIR MULDER                                                                                                                 
Countered that the point is that a fiscal                                                                                       
note should indicate what is incorporated                                                                                       
and expected.  He asked why that had not                                                                                        
been incorporated.                                                                                                              
743                                                                                                                             
MS. FAY                                                                                                                         
Advised that had been an OMB and                                                                                                
Department decision. She offered to get                                                                                         
back to the Committee on that concern.                                                                                          
765                                                                                                                             
CO-CHAIR MULDER                                                                                                                 
Voiced his frustration regarding that                                                                                           
point.  He asked if there had been any                                                                                          
staff reductions.                                                                                                               
782                                                                                                                             
MS. FAY                                                                                                                         
Replied that this year was a transition                                                                                         
year and that there were not suppose to                                                                                         
be any reductions in staff.  Next year,                                                                                         
there will be a reduction of three                                                                                              
employees.                                                                                                                      
806                                                                                                                             
CO-CHAIR THERRIAULT                                                                                                             
Noted that would be worked out in                                                                                               
Subcommittee.                                                                                                                   
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CO-CHAIR THERRIAULT                                                                                                             
Added that there are many places in which                                                                                       
his staff would be checking from                                                                                                
consideration made from the old fiscal                                                                                          
notes. He added that full effort should                                                                                         
be made to use the fiscal notes as                                                                                              
indicated.                                                                                                                      
876                                                                                                                             
CO-CHAIR MULDER                                                                                                                 
Emphasized that Legislature is the policy                                                                                       
setting body for the State.  He expected                                                                                        
that the Administration should carry                                                                                            
forth the policy intended within the                                                                                            
bill.                                                                                                                           
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REPRESENTATIVE J.                                                                                                               
DAVIES                                                                                                                          
Noted that these comments are mixing                                                                                            
"apples and oranges".  Part of the                                                                                              
process of establishing State policy is                                                                                         
the work of the Administration.  He                                                                                             
stressed that the Administration has a                                                                                          
significant role in the development of                                                                                          
that policy.                                                                                                                    
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CO-CHAIR MULDER                                                                                                                 
Submitted that fiscal note concern is a                                                                                         
reflection of the overall attitude by                                                                                           
Administration regarding the                                                                                                    
privatization process.  He emphasized                                                                                           
that this was a problem and that they are                                                                                       
trying to force the Legislature to carry                                                                                        
out the policy.                                                                                                                 
1007                                                                                                                            
REPRESENTATIVE J.                                                                                                               
DAVIES                                                                                                                          
Replied that there has been no "fact"                                                                                           
verifying that information.  He submitted                                                                                       
that was a one liner in the fiscal note                                                                                         
and that there are other issues which                                                                                           
need to be addressed.  Representative J.                                                                                        
Davies pointed out that the note has                                                                                            
caused a policy disagreement. He stated                                                                                         
that the fiscal note does not bind the                                                                                          
Administration for the following year.                                                                                          
Each proposal can be different each year.                                                                                       
There are significant issues that are yet                                                                                       
unresolved and have not been addressed by                                                                                       
the Legislature to date.  He recommended                                                                                        
that there should be continuing                                                                                                 
discussion regarding this concern.                                                                                              
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CO-CHAIR THERRIAULT                                                                                                             
Inquired if there was a bar with getting                                                                                        
through the contractual agreements so                                                                                           
that a contract could be signed sometime                                                                                        
in April versus August.                                                                                                         
1128                                                                                                                            
MS. FAY                                                                                                                         
Noted that the only issues bound in                                                                                             
statute is that the Division through                                                                                            
statute does not have the authority to                                                                                          
sign it.  The Division is trying to be as                                                                                       
flexible as possible in terms of                                                                                                
accounting for the money that comes in.                                                                                         
It has been established in statute that                                                                                         
the matching dollars had to be available                                                                                        
for the contract to be signed.  She                                                                                             
questioned if ATIA was ready for that                                                                                           
commitment.  All the money must be on the                                                                                       
table.                                                                                                                          
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REPRESENTATIVE J.                                                                                                               
DAVIES                                                                                                                          
Asked about the State sitting on the                                                                                            
Board.  He asked for clarification                                                                                              
regarding the State involvement on the                                                                                          
Board of Directors.                                                                                                             
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MS. FAY                                                                                                                         
Replied that when there is a contractual                                                                                        
arrangement with an entity, you can not                                                                                         
sit on that board of the person you are                                                                                         
contracting with.  The State can not be a                                                                                       
member of that group.                                                                                                           
1246                                                                                                                            
MS. FAY                                                                                                                         
Spoke to the fiscal note, pointing out                                                                                          
that the fiscal note binds for one year.                                                                                        
Additionally, it was planned that the                                                                                           
Division would ratchet down the State's                                                                                         
contribution.  She questioned if the                                                                                            
Division would be reducing the State's                                                                                          
contribution raising it by $1 million                                                                                           
dollars this year.                                                                                                              
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REPRESENTATIVE                                                                                                                  
AUSTERMAN                                                                                                                       
Stated that his subcommittee will be able                                                                                       
to determine the expectations of the                                                                                            
Division and the ATIA.  He commented that                                                                                       
the Industry plans on meeting the                                                                                               
financial obligations of the match.  He                                                                                         
questioned the inquiries.  He asked if                                                                                          
the Division understood that realm and if                                                                                       
they were hesitant of putting that                                                                                              
language in the contract.                                                                                                       
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MS. FAY                                                                                                                         
Replied that it was not fair to say that                                                                                        
the Division is hesitant but rather, it                                                                                         
is important to remember that this                                                                                              
information transmitted over the phone is                                                                                       
divided up on behalf of the entire state                                                                                        
and not representing a certain business                                                                                         
interest. She asked when those inquires                                                                                         
are transferred, will they be handled                                                                                           
fairly.                                                                                                                         
1480                                                                                                                            
MS. FAY                                                                                                                         
Continued identifying services that are                                                                                         
offered free of charge by the Division                                                                                          
and available to the communities.                                                                                               
1499                                                                                                                            
REPRESENTATIVE                                                                                                                  
AUSTERMAN                                                                                                                       
Understood the Division's concerns,                                                                                             
however, he asked if in discussion with                                                                                         
the industry, were they willing to                                                                                              
address that concern.  He suggested that                                                                                        
the industry is in the position to do                                                                                           
that through contract.  He did not                                                                                              
foresee that as a problem.                                                                                                      
Representative Austerman asked what                                                                                             
policy would the Legislature need to set                                                                                        
to monitor these contracts.  He inquired                                                                                        
if there were areas which the Division                                                                                          
handles now that the industry should not                                                                                        
take over.                                                                                                                      
1569                                                                                                                            
MS. FAY                                                                                                                         
Replied that the Division is concerned                                                                                          
with the interagency coordination,                                                                                              
community planning, and transportation                                                                                          
issues which should be items handled by                                                                                         
the Division if there continues to be                                                                                           
State money.  Ms. Fay emphasized that                                                                                           
these are important roles for State                                                                                             
government.  In terms of marketing, it is                                                                                       
not a question of what can or can not be                                                                                        
done, but rather an issue of how it is                                                                                          
done.                                                                                                                           
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MS. FAY                                                                                                                         
Added that these are public resources                                                                                           
that they should be working on behalf of                                                                                        
the residents of the State and not for                                                                                          
private interest groups.                                                                                                        
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CO-CHAIR THERRIAULT                                                                                                             
Voiced his appreciation for the testimony                                                                                       
of these two groups.                                                                                                            
1700                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Concluded the overview.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
(TAPE CHANGE HFC 00 - 35, SIDE 1)                                                                                               
HOUSE BILL NO. 116                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
An Act relating to the Board of Agriculture and                                                                                 
Conservation, to the agricultural revolving loan fund,                                                                          
to the disposal of state agricultural land, and to the                                                                          
Alaska Natural Resource Conservation and Development                                                                            
Board; and providing for an effective date.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATVE JEANNETTE JAMES noted that HB 116 was the                                                                         
culmination of much intensive work by representatives from                                                                      
the Legislature, the Administration, conservation boards and                                                                    
the agriculture industry.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
She stated that HB 116 would propose a new board, the Board                                                                     
of Agriculture and Conservation, comprised of the                                                                               
Commissioner of Department of Natural Resources plus seven                                                                      
people involved in grass-roots commercial production                                                                            
agriculture.  The legislation would extend the life of the                                                                      
Agriculture Revolving Loan Fund (ARLF) by instituting grass                                                                     
roots fiscally conservation board that would have more                                                                          
control over the Alaska Revolving Loan Fund.  HB 116 would                                                                      
make the ARLF interest rate competitive with other loaning                                                                      
institutions which are currently drawing farmers away and                                                                       
shortening the life and income of the ARLF.  Representative                                                                     
James noted that HB 116 would allow flexibility for the new                                                                     
board to restructure loans in the event of a disaster, and                                                                      
it would strengthen the emergency loan program.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative James added that the bill would assure that                                                                      
the board would be consulted prior to any disposal of                                                                           
agricultural land.  The new board would take over statutory                                                                     
duties of the existing Division of Agriculture and would                                                                        
hire an executive director.  She believed that would mean a                                                                     
predictable continuity for that position.  She urged the                                                                        
Committee's support of the legislation.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative James acknowledged that the interest rate                                                                        
issue had been addressed in a separate piece of legislation                                                                     
that has already passed out of the House Finance Committee.                                                                     
Representative James emphasized that it is imperative HB 166                                                                    
accompany that legislation.  She pointed out that all the                                                                       
land sale decisions would be left in the bill.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative James spoke to the fiscal note.  She pointed                                                                     
out that the $9 thousand dollars travel component had been                                                                      
determined by Department of Natural Resources.  The                                                                             
Department noted that in creating a new board, there                                                                            
initially would need to be more meetings to establish                                                                           
regulations.  She explained the funding would come from the                                                                     
ARLF.  She suggested that the board and the Creamery                                                                            
Corporation would offset some of those costs. The creamery                                                                      
funds are not listed on the note.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative James stated that additionally, there exists                                                                     
an assumption that the change would result in a reduction in                                                                    
revenue from the interest rate.  She assumed that interest                                                                      
rate reductions would result in new loans.  Currently, the                                                                      
interest rates are higher than most other loan companies,                                                                       
which keeps them from being competitive.  She disagreed with                                                                    
the idea of a change to revenues.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault commented on the loss of revenue.  He                                                                       
noted that in the proposed committee substitute, the changes                                                                    
would conform the loan provisions included in HB 116 with                                                                       
the Committee's work done on Representative Harris' bill.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder MOVED to adopt the work draft committee                                                                         
substitute, 1-LS0407\T, Cook, 2/15/00, as the version of the                                                                    
bill before the Committee.  There being NO OBJECTION, it was                                                                    
adopted.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault referenced the fiscal note.  He pointed                                                                     
out that the sponsor statement indicates that the new board                                                                     
would take over the duties and responsibilities of the                                                                          
Division.  He asked if it was the intent that the board                                                                         
takes over "all the responsibilities" of that agency.  He                                                                       
advised that some of those obligations were specified in                                                                        
statute.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative James replied that through the legislation,                                                                      
the board would be making the decisions currently made by                                                                       
the Director of Agriculture.  She commented that if the                                                                         
Department wanted to change the direction of the Division,                                                                      
that would be their prerogative.  The authority given by the                                                                    
Division of Agriculture, which would be managed by a board                                                                      
of directors, would be the hiring of a director as opposed                                                                      
to the advising of a director.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative James commented that the board has a job to                                                                      
do and a lot of decision making associated with performing                                                                      
that work.  The intent of the legislation is to keep the                                                                        
direction going in a forward movement.  The purpose of the                                                                      
legislation is to place the regulation and policy power in                                                                      
the hands of the Board of Agriculture.  They would implement                                                                    
policies through the statutory authority given to them.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault spoke to the duties assigned to the                                                                         
Division of Agriculture.  He noted the "vested" duties of                                                                       
each position.  The Commissioner delegates certain duties to                                                                    
the Division Director.  He summarized how he envisioned the                                                                     
legislation had been drafted.  He noted that there are few                                                                      
items that the Division is responsible for which have a                                                                         
specific statutory directive.  He asked what would happen to                                                                    
those situations delegated by statute to the Commissioner.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative James understood that the Division of                                                                            
Agriculture is under Department of Natural Resources.  She                                                                      
stated that the issues would instead be delegated to the                                                                        
Division of Agriculture.  That Division would be managed by                                                                     
the Board of Agriculture with hired staff.  She did not                                                                         
foresee anything changing.  She commented that she did not                                                                      
know if there would be a need for a statutory change.                                                                           
Representative Green did not foresee a Board of Agriculture                                                                     
with any authority.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative Austerman voiced his appreciation on all the                                                                     
work that Representative James had accomplished for                                                                             
agriculture business development.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies echoed his appreciation on that                                                                        
issue.  He voiced concern with the option of the board                                                                          
hiring the director.  He suggested that idea be revamped, as                                                                    
the current process works well.  He stressed that the effect                                                                    
of the current practice has achieved the intent of the                                                                          
proposed legislation.  He questioned if expanding the                                                                           
continuity of the director had been considered, because that                                                                    
action would make it more difficult for a governor to remove                                                                    
that director.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative James responded that the issue had been                                                                          
considered regarding whether or not the removal of a board                                                                      
member could occur at the "pleasure of the Governor or for                                                                      
cause". She believed that the legislation would allow the                                                                       
removal for cause.  In the original version of the bill, in                                                                     
order to accomplish that, the board would need to be                                                                            
approved by the Legislature.  She noted that at the request                                                                     
of the Department, that clause was removed.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative James maintained that there is an issue                                                                          
regarding the changing of directors and how that affects the                                                                    
Board of Agriculture. She maintained that a change in                                                                           
policy, which comes with a change in director, is difficult.                                                                    
She stressed the need to provide a continuity of policy and                                                                     
did not believe that the comparison with the Board of                                                                           
Forestry was relevant.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Grussendorf questioned if changing the                                                                           
statutes would cause constitutional problems in the                                                                             
Governor's power to appoint.  Representative James responded                                                                    
that there are some similarities to the Alaska Seafood                                                                          
Marketing Institute Board (ASMI). She emphasized that the                                                                       
concept is how to guarantee continuity of policy.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
ROB WELLS, BOARD OF AGRICULUTRE AND CONSERVATION, MATSU,                                                                        
(TESTIFIED VIA TELECONFERENCE) expressed concern with the                                                                       
legislation.  He acknowledged the intent to bring continuity                                                                    
and policy between Administrations and to allow farmers to                                                                      
control their own entity by managing the revolving loan                                                                         
fund.  He referred to an audit by the Legislative Budget and                                                                    
Audit Committee (LBA) from two years ago.  Mr. Wells noted                                                                      
that the audit found that the Board is conservative                                                                             
realizing that most of the Division functions are funded                                                                        
from the ARLF.  He noted, for the record, that there is                                                                         
concern with the delegation of authority.  He advised that                                                                      
the sponsor statement notes that duties of the Division will                                                                    
be transferred to the Board.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Wells added that the three-year appointments could be                                                                       
problematic.  He suggested that the current Governor would                                                                      
appoint all members.  There could be a change of 6 members                                                                      
in one year, which would most likely result in that Board                                                                       
choosing a new director.  Such action would remove the                                                                          
continuity that the sponsor is seeking.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Wells voiced concern with members who have loans, being                                                                     
able to sit on the Board.  He suggested such action could                                                                       
warrant members being questioned through the Executive                                                                          
Ethics Act.  Mr. Wells agreed with Representative James that                                                                    
the interest income raising and falling would affect                                                                            
revenue.  He voiced concern with the constitutional powers                                                                      
of the Governor.  A Board should control the State assets in                                                                    
the revolving loan fund, an action still requiring an annual                                                                    
budget.  It would no longer need to be an inline provision.                                                                     
Mr. Wells questioned, under the new structure, if an appeal                                                                     
could be made.  He reiterated his concern regarding how this                                                                    
would function in today's world.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
JAMES BALDWIN, ASSISTANT ATTORNEY GENERAL, DEPARTMENT OF                                                                        
LAW, noted that he had reviewed the bill for the                                                                                
Administration.  He spoke to the concept of the legislation                                                                     
placing an independent board over a line agency.  He                                                                            
commented that there is a constitutional argument to be                                                                         
made, indicating such action should not be allowed to happen                                                                    
under the current framework.  In A.S., Article #3, it                                                                           
clarifies that premise.  There is one instance, that you                                                                        
would be allowed to have a multi member board be at the head                                                                    
of a principle department, but in that instance, the                                                                            
Governor would be allowed to approve the Executive Director                                                                     
hired by that board.  It would not be legal to take a small                                                                     
discrete section of a department and do that.  Divisions are                                                                    
not mentioned in most statutes, as they are an unassigned                                                                       
function.  Mr. Baldwin noted that an instance of making a                                                                       
division director as an appointee of a division board is an                                                                     
unusual concept, however, he noted that there have been                                                                         
compromise situations.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Baldwin mentioned that if such provisions were in law,                                                                      
it would be very difficult to remove that board member.  He                                                                     
mentioned that there could be problems with imbezzilment                                                                        
and/or responsibility to State agencies.  Mr. Baldwin                                                                           
reiterated that it is difficult to enforce a for-clause                                                                         
provision.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Baldwin continued, a "for-clause provision" recognizes                                                                      
that certain individuals have property rights in office.                                                                        
That type of board member does not have a salary but does                                                                       
have a "term of office".  That term is staggered which could                                                                    
present a problem.  He stressed that continuity is important                                                                    
in government, but the problem arises when trying to                                                                            
determine how to fix responsibility for governments actions.                                                                    
The manner, in which the Alaska Constitution does it, is by                                                                     
making the Governor responsible.  The concern is that the                                                                       
State of Alaska has "government by board" to run things                                                                         
locally, but with statehood, the State opted that the                                                                           
Governor be the responsible party for how government                                                                            
operates.  At present time, one or two people are                                                                               
responsible. Mr. Baldwin stated that the proposed concept                                                                       
would be erosion back to the old unworkable ways.  He urged                                                                     
that the Committee not adopt the legislation.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Baldwin spoke to the "conflict of interest" clause,                                                                         
which is not that much different from what currently exists.                                                                    
He referenced Page 2, Line 20, noting concern with the                                                                          
wording "affects that lease, permit or loan".  He commented                                                                     
that language was "loose" and would cause problems.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative James responded to where the board would sit                                                                     
in the "scheme" of things.  She pointed out that those                                                                          
involved in the agriculture industry fear that the ARLF is                                                                      
not spending funds appropriately.  "A government does not                                                                       
shrink itself by nature".                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative James advised that the Commissioner would                                                                        
supervise the activity.  She pointed out that all decision                                                                      
making power of the Director would go into the Board of                                                                         
Agriculture.  That would result in taking the authority from                                                                    
one person and putting it into a board.   She noted that a                                                                      
joint group of people would be implementing the intent of                                                                       
the Commissioner.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative James indicated that the legislation would                                                                       
enhance the agricultural activities of the State.  She noted                                                                    
that regulations and policies would be drafted according to                                                                     
the statutes.  Policies are looser and need to be treated                                                                       
equally over time.  She acknowledged that it would be an                                                                        
experiment.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
(TAPE CHANGE, HFC 00 - 35, SIDE 2).                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative James emphasized that the allocation of                                                                          
duties would be fairly distributed.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault noted that HB 116 would be HELD in                                                                          
Committee for further consideration.                                                                                            
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 3:50 P.M.                                                                                          
H.F.C. 20 2/16/00                                                                                                               

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